food grade certificate format
You currently have Javascript disabled. Several functions may not work. Please re-enable javascript to access full functionality. Certificates of food grade Grade - ActiveMauritius Published 16 May 2017 - 04:09 PM Hello, we want to supply silicone and parchment paper to our customers in the food industry, namely those who produce burgers. Our supplier is ISO9001, FDA COMPLIANT, FSC certified and has SGS. Our customers who have , ISO 22000, require that we also have ISO22000, IFS, BRS, FSSC22000 as well. They say the patty paper is in direct contact with food so they need food security. Can you help me understand if we really need to produce these additional certificates? Are they important to the customer? actual certificates are not sufficiently compatible or adequate for food security for your help. Thank you for 1 member: Food Safety Consultant, Production Supervisor Published 16 May 2017 - 07:43 PM If your competitors have them, then the answer is yes, you need them. It provides a direct contact ingredient with high-risk products and it is reasonable to expect a food safety standard to be maintained. That said, they can only require what the market can provide. So I mention again, if your competitors have those certifications, you should get them. If they don't, you're not right to worry that your customers can just go somewhere else. Thank you for 1 member: Grade - ActiveMauritius Published 17 May 2017 - 02:53 AM I understand, I need to see the supplier now that he's from China. But as the SGS certificate demonstrates that the product, processes, etc are compatible with international standards, inspect, verify and test the product in this case that they have tested the paper, in their opinion do you think it can replace this ISO22000 certificate? Do you know if it's a long process to get the ISO22000 certificate for your opinion and response? Thank you for 1 member: Degree - SIFSQNUnited Kingdom Published 17 May 2017 - 08:20 AM Hi Catounnette, what exactly does SGS certificate have? My understanding is that they will provide audits against various standards such as ISO9001, BRC, IFS etc., as well as CoA. What do you got? Thank you for 1 member: Grade - ActiveMauritius Published 17 May 2017 - 10:03 AM Hello Brummy Jim What the Chinese supplier tells me is that SGS is the test required by the FDA (certifying they have), which prove for example for this role of patty chloroform residue. The supplier says that in China it is the important FDA/SGS report that is considered as the food grade certificate, the other certificates such as BRC or IFS is more for Europe and for ISO22000 they do not have it, for them they need ISO9001 and also have the FSC certificate. So I'm a little lost, I really don't know if these certificates, I mean FDA/SGS, ISO9001 and FSC certificates are enough or to show that the degree of paper food and safe for use with food contact. Thks for your help in this. Thank you for 1 member: Degree - SIFSQNUnited Kingdom Published 17 May 2017 - 10:19 AM I think I get it now. Am I thinking you're the middleman here? There is a manufacturer and some end users, with you in the middle. Do you provide and value added as repackage? If so, you should be looking at BRC or IFS packaging (FSSC22000 also has a packaging option), if all you do is work as an agent you should be investigating the options of Agents " IFS Broker or BRC. It can also be a warehouse or similar in which case there are storage options (BRC and IFS). These standards are useful and you really just need to work with one of them as most customers consider equivalents. Thank you for 1 member: Grade - ActiveMauritius Published 17 May 2017 - 12:54 PM I think I get it now. Am I thinking you're the middleman here? (if it's accurate, buy and resell the customers) There is a manufacturer and some end users, with you in the middle. Do you provide and value added as repackage? (do not at all just buy and resell) If so, you should be looking at BRC or IFS packaging (FSSC22000 also has a packaging option), if all you do is work as an agent that should be investigating the options of Agent " IFS Broker or BRC. (I am only the intermediary here, it may be considered but I do not know here in Mauritius if we have companies that deliver these certifications, but for the moment you think that the FDA-SGS, ISO9001, FSC of the Chinese supplier can work as a guarantee for food grade products?...In China you do not have the BRC or IFS or FSSC22000 certificates.) It can also be a warehouse or similar in which case there are storage options (BRC and IFS). These standards are useful and you really just need to work with one of them as most customers consider equivalents. Thank you for 1 member: Degree - SIFSQNUnited Kingdom Published 17 May 2017 - 01:33 PM The challenge you will have is that customers are pushing their suppliers to have some relevant certificate (BRC, IFS, FSSC22000 SQF, etc.). As a reseller, it will usually be you and not your supplier they will look at. I approve of our suppliers, and although this year I am looking at the original manufacturer more than the reseller, next year this will be almost certainly different as the standards change. I need my first level suppliers to have a quality certificate, ideally food security based on food, but at least ISO9001 (and possibly ). This change is due to the introduction by GFSI of a runner standard. That certificate will prove to me that they have carefully chosen their suppliers, and I don't need to ask anymore. I think you'll find that BRC is at least growing in popularity in China; some of my suppliers have it. Thank you for 1 member: Grade - ActiveMauritius Published 17 May 2017 - 02:17 PM Ok thanks I think I understand better what I need to do, but one last question a supplier that sells paper products only (fat test, paper paper paper paper from ect..) Do you need to have a certificate? thks. Thank you for 1 member: Degree - SIFSQNUnited Kingdom Published 17 May 2017 - 02:19 PM If it's food, I think the answer would be yes. Thank you for 1 member: Grade - ActiveMauritius Published 17 May 2017 - 02:27 PM Yeah, I'm sure it's the level of food... but as I said in China they say they don't have a certificate and for them it's more a FDA-SGS certificate that replaces that, the problem is that can we consider it the same?? Thank you for 1 member: Degree - SIFSQNUnited Kingdom Published 17 May 2017 - 02:49 PM I don't know anything about the FDA-SGS certificate, so I can't answer that. Maybe someone from the United States has a view. I'm sorry. Thank you for 1 member: Grade - ActiveMauritius Published 17 May 2017 - 02:56 PM No problem with your good advice. Thank you for 1 member: Food Safety Consultant, Production Supervisor Published 17 May 2017 - 04:21 PM Your Chinese supplier is providing all the appropriate documentation for export and legality. Your customers require a higher standard to maintain their own GFSI certifications. Foreign suppliers often get frustrated by this. The fact is that I find more and more to meet a GFSI standard for vendor approval (and not just FDA standards) I have to source internally. Short answer, no. General legal inspections for your suppliers to meet the import standards established by USFDA and others will not be sufficient for your customers with GFSI schemes. They need a supplier's source with an equivalent, whether you're like the runner or the river above in the real manufacturer. It is a voluntary standard but to keep yours who require that certified inspection level as they are likely not to go on the site to perform audits themselves. Thank you for 1 member: Grade - ActiveMauritius Published 17 May 2017 - 04:36 PM Thank you so much for this detailed explanation... Smoke that doesn't smell good for me then!... I have found good Chinese suppliers for this product with good prices but with missing certificates and on the other hand suppliers from Europe or the United States their prices are much higher and non-competitive but all have the required certifications.... What a pity! Thanks again for your help. Thank you for 1 member: 0 users are reading this topic0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users IFSQN MissionHelpful LinksReceive IFSQN UpdatesRelevant information Licensed in: Saferpak Limited All content © Copyright 2020 IFSQNConnect With UsSign In
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